Mills

Johncock Forestry Products is a sawmill and wholesale wood supplier working out of 5874 Heath Road in South Branch, Michigan. Alongside sawmilling, they also do timber buying and land clearing or site work, so if you've got standing hardwood or softwood on your ground, this is a shop that touches more than one side of the business. Their main trade is turning Michigan hardwood and softwood into usable product: wholesale sawdust, wood chips, pallet lumber, pallet manufacturing, and animal bedding, with delivery run through their own fleet of trucks and trailers. They call themselves "family owned and operated" and say they are "100% Michigan grown trees," which tells you they're not bringing in wood from out of state. They've been at it since 2009. On the ground, they say they're set up to serve Ogemaw County, with South Branch as their home base. They belong to the Hale Area Association, the Michigan Green Industry Association, the National Federation of Independent Business, and the Small Business Association of Michigan. This looks like a fit for a landowner near South Branch who wants to deal with a mill that also buys timber and can clear or work a site, rather than someone searching far afield for a forester to walk their woods and write a management plan. From johncockforestryproducts.com, read 8 October 2026.

Michigan Timber Sawmill, LLC works out of Hillman, Michigan, doing logging, timber buying, and milling all under one roof. They've got a Forester on staff, and they walk you through the whole thing from start to finish: a free estimate, then a timber sale contract if you're both agreeable, then their own crews harvest, haul, and saw the timber. They buy aspen, basswood, beech, birch, black oak, cherry, hard and soft maple, pin oak, red oak, and white oak. For hardwood stands they say they use a "select cut forest management methodology" rather than clearcutting everything. They're fully insured and members of the Michigan Association of Timbermen. They set a 25 acre minimum for a job. They cover a wide stretch of northern Michigan counties, including Montmorency, Alcona, Alpena, Antrim, Charlevoix, Cheboygan, Crawford, Emmet, Iosco, Kalkaska, Missaukee, Ogemaw, Oscoda, Otsego, Presque Isle, and Roscommon. This fits a landowner with a bigger tract who wants one company handling the cutting, the hauling, and the milling together, rather than piecing it out to separate contractors. From mitimberservices.com, read 8 October 2026.

Fairview Sawmill is a mill in Fairview, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Bain's Mill is a mill in Hale, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Prell's Saw Mill is a mill in Hawks, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Northwood Lumber is a mill in Mio, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Countryside Lumber LLC is a mill in Mio, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Homestead Hardwoods is a mill in Mio, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

R & N Lumber is a mill in Mio, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Sunrise Lumber is a mill in Mio, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Tri-County Logging is a logging contractor out of Clinton, Michigan. They buy standing timber from landowners and run their own harvests, and the wood they cut goes to HMI Lumber, the sawmill that Tri-County is part of. They've been at it since 1972. They take on timber harvesting, timber buying, and forestry management plans, working in ash, cherry, hard maple, hickory, poplar, red oak, soft maple, walnut, basswood, black oak, and white oak. Their timber buyers work different parts of Michigan, and the company serves Lenawee County among others, plus landowners across Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana. Their staff have gone through Sustainable Forestry Initiative classes, and the company describes itself as "experienced in industry best management practices." If you're not sure your woodlot is ready, they walk you through it before anything is signed, explaining the plan for your land whether you want to harvest again down the road, improve hunting ground, or just open up the canopy for new growth. Ten acres is their line: their own contact page asks "Do you have ten or more acres of woodlot that you need harvested?" as the way they describe who they work with. This fits a landowner with a decent-sized woodlot, somewhere north of ten acres, who wants a company that also runs its own mill and will talk through the harvest plan with you first rather than just showing up with saws. From tri-countylogging.com, read 8 October 2026.

Superior Sawmill & Trenary Storage is a sawmill in Trenary, up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. They do custom milling at their own mill and keep an inventory of dried wood on hand to sell straight off the yard. The work is custom sawing and planing, with kiln drying, planing, and sanding done in house. They cut Cedar, Pine, and Poplar, turning logs into lumber, siding, paneling, and dimensional lumber. Their specialties run to fireplace mantles and beam home construction, and they say "we cut any size beam needed." They use a bandsaw mill to saw logs into blanks, then dry and plane them, and run a dehumidification kiln to cut down on warping. A planer handles rough wood up to 8 inches tall and 24 inches wide, good for bar tops and mantle pieces, and a molder with four cutting heads makes shiplap, flat match, tongue and groove paneling, S4S, and flooring. They serve Alger County, out of Trenary. This fits a landowner who wants logs turned into finished boards, paneling, or beams rather than a standing-timber sale, and who's fine working with a small mill that also sells dried wood off the shelf. From superiorsawmillinc.com, read 8 October 2026.

Williams Milling & Moulding is a mill in Rapid River, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Newberry Wood Products LLC is a mill in Newberry, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Besse Forest Products Group is a mill in Gladstone, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Usher Sawmill is a mill in Cornell, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Buskirk Lumber is a timber buyer based in Freeport, Michigan, at 319 Oak St. The family of businesses also runs a sawmill and dry kiln and offers forestry consulting. They've been buying standing timber since 1920, so over a century in the business. They buy hardwoods including basswood, beech, cherry, chestnut, fir, hickory, maple, oak, poplar, and walnut. Their services cover forest management and timber appraisal. They describe themselves as "professional licensed and bonded timber buyers." Buskirk works across Michigan's Lower Peninsula, Northern Indiana, and Northern Ohio, and for this listing serves Barry County. Here's how a sale runs with them: you reach out by phone or online, their team talks through what your woodlot needs, then a buyer comes out to assess it and gives you an offer. Once you sign the contract, they pay 10% down, with the rest of the contract value paid in full before the harvest starts. Their logging crew then does the cutting and hauls the logs to the mill. They practice selective harvesting, cutting only "mature trees that meet industry quality standards" rather than clearing a stand, and they note they work woodlots with a good volume of standing timber rather than individual yard trees, so this fits larger, more established stands rather than a handful of trees. This suits a landowner in or near Barry County with a hardwood woodlot who wants to sell direct to a sawmill, skip the broker, and have the same outfit buy, log, and mill the timber. From buskirklumber.com, read 8 October 2026.

Hayward Logging & Sawmill is a mill in Delton, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Primal Woods is a mill in Hartford, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Baker Sawmill & Design is a mill in Gobles, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Woodnweld is a mill in Leelanau County, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Elenbaas Hardwood Inc is a sawmill and moulding manufacturer in Jenison, Michigan, with a second location in Kalamazoo. The family has been at it since 1948, when Earl Elenbaas started out making mouldings and replacing mantels, after working in the woods and in sawmills himself. The business passed to his sons in 1982 and is now run by the next generation. This isn't a stump-to-sale timber buyer. Elenbaas works in poplar, red oak, white oak, maple, cherry, walnut, knotty alder, knotty pine, hickory, and MDF, turning wood into finished interior products. Their own words: "specializes in poplar, oak, maple and cherry and a variety of other specialty woods." Services include custom millwork, pre-hung doors, and stairway systems, and they'll also make mouldings to match a custom sample or a full-scale drawing for restoration work. They're listed under Allegan county and serve Ottawa county. This one suits a landowner thinking past the stump, someone who wants lumber turned into doors, trim, or stair parts rather than a crew to mark and cut trees. From elenbaas.com, read 8 October 2026.

Kamps Hardwoods Inc is a mill in Caledonia, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Schlatter Timberworks is a portable saw mill based in Grand Haven, Michigan. It's listed as a mill and serves Ottawa County. There isn't much laid out about how a job runs, what species are cut, or what size of tract makes sense to call about. What's clear is the trade itself: a "Portable Saw Mill" that comes to the wood rather than the other way around. For a landowner with a tree down or a stand to mill, that portable setup is worth knowing about on its own. If you're weighing this one against others, reach out and ask the specifics yourself, things like minimum job size or how far they'll travel, since none of that is spelled out. This fits a landowner in or near Ottawa County who already knows they want milling done on-site and just needs a name and a phone number to start that conversation: (616) 268-3917. From schlattertimberworks.com, read 8 October 2026.

Hickory & Oak Sawmill and Lumber Company is a family run sawmill in Decatur, Michigan. "If you have logs that you would like have turned into useful lumber, you have found the right place." You bring the logs, or they'll pick them up if close by, and they saw them into boards or beams, kiln dry the lumber, and can take it further into flooring, counter tops, table tops, stair treads, or beams. They work with the hardwoods common to their part of Michigan: Ash, Elm, Walnut, Cherry, Coffee Tree, White and Red Oak, Hickory, Hard Maple, Beech, Sassafras, Sycamore, Tulip Poplar, Black Locust, Honey Locust, Osage, and Catalpa. Services include custom sawmilling, kiln drying, large glue ups, wide panel sanding, planing, straight line ripping, live-edge slab surfacing, and custom slab sawing. They mostly buy logs rather than standing timber, and say they buy "sometimes, maybe" depending on what they need, with Walnut and large diameter logs usually of interest. They do not log woods, though they'll occasionally buy a few standing trees. Logs need to be at least 12 inches in diameter to go on the mill. They serve Southwest Michigan, naming Kalamazoo, Grand Rapids, Ann Arbor, Detroit, and Chicago as areas they reach, and the business has operated since 2003. This suits a landowner who already has logs down, from a storm, a building project, or a few trees taken out, and wants them turned into usable lumber or finished pieces rather than sold off as standing timber. From hickoryandoak.com, read 8 October 2026.

Devereaux Saw Mill Inc., also known as Devereaux Sawmill, Inc., is a sawmill in Pewamo, Michigan that also buys standing timber straight from landowners. It's listed as a mill and a timber buyer, so it works on both ends: buying logs off your property and running them through its own mill. The mill buys White Hard Maple, Red Oak, White Oak, Hickory, Soft Maple, Walnut, and Cherry. Logs come from within "sourced within a 150-mile radius of our mill," and the company serves Ionia County among the areas it draws from. It processes "17 million feet processed annually," so this is a mill built around steady, large-scale volume rather than occasional jobs. The company describes its history as "based on integrity, honesty, and hard work," and says it buys timber "prioritizing customer and landowner satisfaction." If you're a landowner in the area with mature hardwoods, Devereaux is set up to both evaluate your timber and turn it into lumber under one roof, rather than acting only as a broker. This fits a landowner with a stand of the species above, within driving distance of Pewamo, who wants a mill with a long-running, high-volume operation behind the offer rather than a smaller or newer buyer. From devereauxsawmill.com, read 8 October 2026.

Cedar Log & Lumber of Millersburg Inc. is a mill in Millersburg, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Kent's Sawmill and Michigan Lumbermill is a family-run sawmill in Atlanta, Michigan, on Mouch Rd. They saw White Pine and Red Pine into rough-cut lumber and take on custom milling, cutting boards, beams and slabs to size for builders and homeowners. Alongside the sawn lumber they also sell wood chips, sawdust and bark. If you bring them logs, they run them through a band saw rather than a circular mill, so you get a thinner kerf, wider slabs and cleaner cuts, with more usable lumber out of each log. They describe their White Pine as having "charm," light, easy to work, with a straight grain, good for trim and siding. Their Red Pine they call "the muscle," denser and resinous, used for framing and heavier work. The mill is owned by Laverne Kent and run day to day by Laverne and Lonny Kent, who put the family's roots in Atlanta at more than 20 years. They serve Atlanta, Hillman and Lewiston in Montmorency County, Gaylord and Vanderbilt in Otsego County, and Alpena, Rogers City and Onaway in Alpena and Presque Isle Counties. This fits a landowner near Atlanta who already has logs down, or timber coming off their own land, and wants it milled into usable lumber close to home rather than sold as sawlogs to a buyer elsewhere. From michiganlumberco.com, read 8 October 2026.

Silver Leaf Sawmill is a timber buyer and sawmill out of Elmira, Michigan, family-owned and operating since 1995. They buy standing timber, offer forest management advice, and run their own mill, so the same outfit that walks your woods can also turn the logs into lumber. They work in Maple, Oak, Pine, Cherry, Ash, Poplar, and Basswood. Their process is simple: you call to schedule an on-site inspection, a timber buyer walks the property with you and points out what's ready to harvest, and if you accept the estimate they schedule the harvest itself, done with care to limit damage to the trees and ground left behind. They describe their approach as "a sustainable, responsible way for property owners to nurture a thriving forest." Their stated service area runs "from Empire to Alpena, Mackinaw City to Cadillac," and their listing covers Antrim County specifically. Beyond buying timber, they also mill their own lumber products, so if you're curious what becomes of the wood after it leaves your land, they can tell you. This fits a landowner in that part of Michigan who wants one business to both evaluate the trees and handle the harvest, especially someone who likes knowing the buyer also runs the mill end of things. From silverleafsawmill.net, read 8 October 2026.

AJD Forest Products, L. P. is a sawmill in Grayling, Michigan, and they also buy timber and run their own logging crew. Two licensed staff foresters handle the timber sales, buying private, state, and federal timber, and then AJD's own woods crew does the harvesting. That means the same outfit that walks your woods and marks the sale is the one that cuts it and hauls it to their mill. They cut red oak, hard and soft maple, aspen, ash, and basswood into hardwood lumber, cants, and timbers, in 4/4, 5/4, and 6/4 thicknesses, 6 to 10 feet long. Their mill runs both ways: a double pass band mill for larger, higher quality logs headed for furniture, flooring, and cabinetry, and a line that takes "smaller logs from local hardwood thinning," so a thinning job isn't wasted effort. Mill waste doesn't go to a burn pile either, it feeds a nearby co-generation plant, and the bark goes out to the landscape and nursery trade. They're based in Grayling and serve Crawford County, with their broader territory stretching across Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Ontario. The company has been running "since 1974," and their graders carry National Hardwood Lumber Association certification, with memberships in the Indiana Hardwood Lumbermen's Association, the Lakes States Lumber Association, and the Michigan Association of Timbermen. This fits a landowner with a mixed hardwood stand, maybe some mature oak or maple alongside younger thinning-stage timber, who wants one company handling the forestry, the cutting, and the milling instead of juggling separate contractors. From ajdforestproducts.com, read 8 October 2026.

Heartwood Mills is a mill. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. It is also listed as a timber buyer and a logging contractor. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Northern Michigan Lumber Company is a sawmill out of Lake Ann, Michigan, on Almira Rd. just outside the village. It's also a timber buyer, and it sells lumber, firewood, mulch, and custom boards for fencing. The mill goes back a long way under earlier names, and it's run now under Mike Sutherland as mill operator, owner, and chief sawyer. They buy standing timber and pre-cut logs, both hardwoods and softwoods, including oak and pine, though they say they "may be more selective regarding the various types and location of the timber." When they look at a property, a timber buyer measures the trees for volume, quality, and growth rate, and also looks at the soils, wildlife habitat, and streams nearby before putting together a plan for any future timbering. Beyond the mill side, they've branched into custom wood-fired hot tubs and saunas, tiny homes, and handcrafted furniture. They serve Benzie County, where Lake Ann sits, along with Grand Traverse, Leelanau, Antrim, and Kalkaska Counties and a long list of nearby towns including Traverse City, Elk Rapids, and Kingsley. No acreage minimum is given anywhere in what they publish, so a small lot and a big stand of hardwoods both seem to be worth a call. This one suits a landowner in the Benzie and Grand Traverse area who wants a local mill that also buys the logs it mills, and who might be curious about getting lumber back as fence boards or furniture rather than just a check. From northernmichiganlumbercompany.com, read 8 October 2026.

Matelski Lumber Company is a mill in Boyne Falls, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. It is also listed as a logging contractor. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Phelps Sawmill is a mill in Charlevoix, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Northern Forest Products is a mill in Harbor Springs, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Housler Sawmill is a sawmill in Mesick, Michigan. It's been running since 1942 and is now in its third generation of the same family. On the wholesale side they cut railroad ties, cants for pallets, and grade lumber. On the retail side they offer "rough sawn lumber for all your project needs including board and batton siding, decking, trailer decking, dimensional lumber and post/beams." They also sell sawdust, chips, and bark by the yard. They serve Wexford County. There's no stated minimum acreage for this one. If you're a landowner with just a few trees down or some logs already cut, this looks like the kind of mill that would still talk to you, given the range of smaller wholesale products like pallet cants and ties they handle alongside bigger dimensional work. This fits a landowner who already has logs or trees cut and wants them sawn into lumber, ties, or pallet stock, rather than someone looking for help marking and selling standing timber. From houslersawmill.com, read 8 October 2026.

Maple Ridge Hardwoods Inc is a sawmill in Sterling, Michigan, and they also buy timber and do their own logging. They're based in the heart of northern Michigan forests, milling hardwoods into custom-milled green lumber and hand-picked veneer logs. They come from generations of family sawmills, and say they're "bringing up the next generation of Michigan-based lumbermen" focused on sustainable logging practices. Their work covers the full chain: buying standing timber, logging it, and milling it themselves rather than shipping logs elsewhere. They list Arenac County as where they work. There's no stated minimum acreage, and no smallest job shown on their pages to go by either. If you're weighing that question, you'd want to call and ask directly. This one suits a landowner who wants to deal with a single outfit that buys the timber, logs it, and mills it under one roof, and who likes knowing the people doing it come from a sawmilling family rather than a crew assembled for one job. From mapleridgehardwoodsinc.com, read 8 October 2026.

Heritier Sawmill is a saw mill in Linwood, Michigan, about two miles from the village of Crump. It is a family run business. The mill sells cut and finished wood rather than buying standing timber. Stock includes kiln dried grade lumber, tongue and groove knotty pine, log cabin siding, molding, casing and other trim, and most species of board lumber. They work in pine and black walnut, and they also carry "rough sawn lumber for fences, corrals, and sheeting." Alongside the mill they stock Solo chainsaws and Oregon products, and run a gift and craft shop next door, Reflections of the Wild, with items for wildlife and outdoor enthusiasts. Heritier Sawmill is based in Arenac County and serves Bay County. This fits a landowner, woodworker, or builder who wants finished or rough lumber, trim, siding, chainsaws, or a gift stop, not someone looking to sell standing timber off their acreage. From heritiersawmill.com, read 8 October 2026.

Walter F Kotz Saw Mill is a mill in Linwood, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Kappen Saw Mill is a mill in Cass City, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Weber Brothers Sawmill, Inc. is a sawmill and timber-buying business in Mt Pleasant, Michigan, running since 1950. They buy standing timber and logs across central and northern Michigan, and they also do logging work themselves. If you're sitting on hardwoods, they handle White Oak, Red Oak, Hard Maple, Soft Maple, Cherry, White Ash, Basswood, Popple, Walnut, and Pine. A sale starts with a call to have your woodlot looked at, then they mark and cruise the timber before harvest. They say they're "fully insured" and offer "payment in advance of the harvest," which matters if you want money before the trucks show up. They hold National Hardwood Lumber Association certification, and they describe themselves as a "family operation." Past the standing timber side, they run a full mill too, sawing green and kiln-dried hardwood lumber, railroad ties, crane mats, pallet stock, treated posts, live edge bar tops, and more, so they're not just moving logs out the door, they're using the wood. This one suits a landowner in central or northern Michigan who wants a single outfit that buys the timber, logs it, and mills it, and who likes knowing payment comes before the cutting starts. From weberssawmill.com, read 8 October 2026.

Paul Bunyan Saw Mill is a mill in Ubly, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Ottawa Forest Products, Inc is a sawmill with mills in Ironwood and Amasa, Michigan, in the Upper Peninsula. They buy timber, manage private timber sales, and work with loggers and truckers to get wood harvested and to market. They've run since 1992, and in late 2012 they added the Amasa mill, picking up the former Pine River Hardwoods operation there. For a landowner, their timber sales management means their own forestry staff will walk your land, estimate what your timber is worth, and line up logging and trucking to get it cut and hauled. They say they follow SFI and BMP guidelines, and aim for work with "minimal permanent impact on the forest and surrounding land," with logging practices "designed to preserve hunting and fishing land" alongside getting you a fair price. They cut Hard Maple, Soft Maple, Birch, Red Oak, Basswame of Basswood, Ash, Aspen, Cherry, and other hardwoods, which they turn into pallet components and hardwood lumber at their mills. Their customers are mostly in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Illinois, and Indiana, and the business lists Iron County, Michigan as served. There's no stated minimum acreage, but one landowner they worked with, Irene Hendrickson, had her 40 acres handled as a timber sale, so that gives a sense of the smaller end of what they'll take on. This fits a landowner in the Upper Peninsula or nearby Wisconsin counties who wants one company to both value and manage the sale of standing timber, not just buy logs at the mill gate. From ottawaforestproducts.com, read 8 October 2026.

Northern Hardwoods is a sawmill in Atlantic Mine, Michigan, backed by Longyear. They manage their own forests and handle the whole chain themselves: "We harvest. We mill. We dry. We grade. We deliver." They also do logging work, and they serve Houghton County. Species they work in include hard maple and soft maple (sold under their own Ultra-white names), red oak, white oak, birch, cherry, walnut, hickory, basswood, and aspen. Their harvesting is described as "sustainable selective harvesting," and their process runs harvest, mill, dry, grade, deliver, with 22 quality assurance checkpoints and lumber graded to exceed NHLA standards before and after drying. Their hardwoods come from the Upper Peninsula's forest land. For sales and purchasing questions, they list a Sales Manager, a Log Procurement Supervisor, and a Log and Lumber Procurement contact, along with an outside sales rep, so a landowner has more than one person to reach. They also have a second location in Niles, Michigan. This fits a landowner in Houghton County who wants a mill that also logs and handles the whole process from standing timber to finished lumber, rather than juggling a logger, a mill, and a broker separately. From northernhardwoods.com, read 8 October 2026.

End Sawmill is a mill in Skanee, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

J & A Penegor Inc is a mill in Toivola, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

West Michigan Sawmill is a family owned sawmill and buyer of standing timber, based in Clarksville, Michigan. They run their own mill, so they buy standing timber and also saw grade lumber, pallet lumber, and do custom sawing, plus sell bark, mulch, and sawdust. They work in hardwood species including Walnut, Hard Maple, Soft Maple, Red Oak, White Oak, Cherry, Ash, Hickory, and Poplar, along with various softwood species, and they buy and resell veneer quality logs. A sale starts with a free consultation and a site visit to evaluate what your timber is worth, and from there they give you a price for what they believe should be harvested at that time, backed by a written detailed timber sales contract. They sell grade and pallet lumber through the Midwest, and their listed service area for timber work includes Ionia County. They say their logging crew is "certified by the Michigan Sustainable Forestry Education Program (SFE)" and that they are fully insured and licensed. For a job to make sense to them, they look for "60+ trees with a minimum of 16″ diameter chest height" on your property. They have been running as a sawmill since 1979. This fits a landowner with a decent stand of larger, mature hardwood trees who wants a buyer that also mills its own lumber rather than just brokering the logs elsewhere. From wmsawmill.com, read 8 October 2026.

Independent Sawmill LLC is a mill in Caledonia, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Metzger Sawmill is a mill in Battle Creek, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Potterville Sawmill is a sawmill in Charlotte, Michigan, at 3224 Lansing Rd. It sells lumber, sheds and firewood, and it serves Eaton County. The mill cuts black walnut, red oak, white oak and white pine, from hardwood to softwood. You can order rough cuts or smooth finishes, in custom lengths and dimensions to fit your project. Its lumber is "locally sourced and milled right here in Michigan." Besides lumber, the business builds Amish-built sheds, cabins, chicken coops and deer blinds, and it will do a custom build on request. Its firewood comes from Lou's Cutting Edge Tree Service LLC in Eaton Rapids, MI. It also sells woodchips for mulch and landscaping. This one suits a landowner in Eaton County who wants milled lumber, a rough sawn shed or cabin, or firewood and chips for the property. From pottervillesawmill.com, read 8 October 2026.

Maple Rapids Lumber Mill Inc is a mill in St Johns, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. It is also listed as a timber buyer. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Trierweiler Kiln Dried Lumber runs as The Dried Lumber Company out of Clarksville, Michigan, just off I-96 at exit 59. It's an owner-operated sawmill and kiln-drying shop, not a timber buyer, so if you want someone to purchase standing timber off your land this isn't that. What it does is take logs or lumber and turn them into something usable. You can bring your own logs for custom sawing on their two on-site sawmills, or bring lumber you've already cut and have it kiln dried. They run three kinds of kilns: a vacuum kiln, a radio frequency vacuum kiln, and a dehumidification kiln, and owner Travis Trierweiler operates each one himself. Beyond straight sawing and drying, they do slab surfacing, custom tops, and mantels. They say "we dry all lumber, on-site, in our kilns," and that the business has been going "over 11 years." They're based near Clarksville but list Ionia County among the areas they serve, and their own pages say they work across Michigan and into other states as well. This fits a landowner who already has logs or air-dried lumber sitting around and wants it sawn or kiln dried into something finished, rather than someone just starting out trying to sell standing timber. From driedlumber.com, read 8 October 2026.

Mooseworks LLC is a mill in Alto, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Into The Woods Sawmill, out of Rives Junction, Michigan, runs a portable sawmill. Owner Bill Allen brings the mill to your property rather than asking you to haul logs anywhere. Alongside the milling he does blade sharpening, chainsaw chain sharpening, and light skid steer work. The business mills your logs into lumber for you. It does not buy or sell lumber itself, so this is a milling service, not a timber buyer. It's licensed and insured, and it's veteran owned and operated, serving Jackson, Michigan and the surrounding area since it was established in 2020. No acreage is set as a minimum here, since the work is about logs and milling rather than standing timber sales, so this fits a landowner with just a few logs to mill as easily as someone with a bigger pile. This suits a landowner who already has logs down, maybe from clearing or storm damage, and wants them turned into usable lumber on site, plus someone who wants blades or chains sharpened or a bit of skid steer work done at the same time. From itwsawmill.com, read 8 October 2026.

Morgan's Custom Sawmill is a portable sawmill business run out of Rockford, Michigan. They are a custom sawyer, meaning they cut up your own logs into lumber rather than buying timber standing. You can haul your logs to their site in Rockford, or they will bring the mill to you. Onsite work runs $50 to set up plus $100 an hour with a two hour minimum; if you bring the logs to them in Rockford there is no setup fee and no hourly minimum, and they have equipment there to load and unload your trailer. They bill for drive time only if you are more than 30 minutes from Rockford. The mill itself is a TimberKing 2000, fully hydraulic and computerized, and it can handle logs up to 32 inches across and 19 feet long. They list Kent County as an area they serve. No species are named and no job size is listed, so there's nothing here about how small or large a project needs to be, acreage included. What they do say is that they'll take on logs of any size: "No matter how big or small the logs, we are excited to turn them into milled, usable wood product." They also mention storm-downed trees, saying they can mill one into "a lifetime keepsake" for a family. This fits a landowner with a tree or a small pile of logs, maybe from a storm or a clearing job, who wants boards cut rather than timber sold, and who is willing to either haul logs to Rockford or host a portable mill on their own property. From morganscustomsawmill.com, read 8 October 2026.

Mauk Midwest Forest Products Inc. - Straits Wood Treating Inc. is a mill in Bay City, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Freier Forestry LLC runs a portable sawmill out of Whitmore Lake, Michigan. They bring the mill to you, milling logs on site into lumber cut to your specifications, then kiln drying it in one of two kilns that each hold up to 12,000 board feet. The drying runs about six weeks, pulling the wood down to roughly 8% moisture. Beyond sawing, they do custom sawing, lumber planing, grading, tree removal, and lot clearing. They've also added land development work: forestry mowing, vegetation control, mulching, brush cutting, trail and plot management, and land clearing and reclamation. They work mostly in walnut, oak, and other Michigan hardwoods, and they handle both residential yard trees and larger urban timber recovery jobs. One thing worth knowing if you're wary of being pushed into a sale: "We have never bought one stick of standing live timber." They do buy logs on occasion, but only from customers who have no use for their own wood. They serve Washtenaw, Livingston, Wayne, Lenawee, and Jackson counties, and say they'll talk with you even if you're outside that area. They've operated since 1991, and say they've saved over a million board feet of lumber in that time by reclaiming and reusing trees that would otherwise be chipped or landfilled. This fits a landowner with a tree or two worth saving, who wants it turned into usable boards rather than firewood or mulch, more than someone looking to sell standing timber outright. From freierforestry.com, read 8 October 2026.

CCM Mobile Sawmilling is a mill in Hemlock, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Jerome Miller Lumber Co is a logging outfit and sawmill based in Baldwin, Michigan. They've been working the woods since 1960, mostly in Lake County and the areas around it, including Mason, Oceana, Manistee, and Newaygo counties. They log hardwood, pine, and aspen, and they work your land themselves rather than just brokering it off. Their main method is select cut harvest, taking fully mature and diseased trees and leaving the rest standing so the woods can keep regenerating. Once logs come down, they go straight to the company's own sawmill in Baldwin to be graded and scaled. They use the pulpwood down to 4 inches and work the tops down as much as they can, leaving what's left to feed the soil. In their own words, they aim "to ensure we leave it a healthier place than when we arrive." They run single bunk forwarders, which they say are agile enough to move through a woods "without cutting a highway into the middle of the forest," so the equipment doesn't tear up the land getting the wood out. This fits a landowner in or near Lake County who wants a logger who also owns the sawmill the logs go to, and who cares more about what the woods looks like after the cut than about taking everything at once. From jmillerlumber.com, read 8 October 2026.

Elder's Forest Products is a sawmill and standing timber buyer out of Rockford, Michigan. They've been family owned and operated since 1981, and today the operation runs a full sawmill alongside the timber buying side. Here's how it works: you call and tell them about the timber you want to sell, they come out for an on-site estimate, and if you agree on a purchase they buy the standing timber and harvest it. They offer both clear cutting and select cutting, depending on what fits your land. They buy a long list of species, mostly maples, oaks, ash, walnut, cherry, basswood, and poplar, plus pines and other softwoods like spruce, hemlock, cedar, and tamarack. There's no acreage minimum stated, but their own listing points to "25+ Trees" as the bar for an on-site estimate and selective harvest, so a handful of marketable trees can be enough to get them out to look. They say they'll travel anywhere in Michigan depending on the type and amount of timber, though their base and primary service area is around Rockford in Kent County. This fits a landowner anywhere in Michigan with a stand of mixed hardwoods or pine who wants one buyer that will also mill the logs themselves, rather than broker the sale out. From eldersforestproducts.com, read 8 October 2026.

Beechraft’s Sawmill & Pallet, LLC. is a mill in Interlochen, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Krumrie Saw Mill Services is a sawmill and custom woodworking shop in Galien, Michigan. They work with fallen or salvaged logs, not standing live trees, turning them into lumber, flooring, molding, and furniture pieces for the person who owns the wood. You can bring your own logs to their Galien log yard, and they say "smaller projects are often completed within the same week." They also run a Lucas mill on site that cuts slabs up to 72 inches wide, good for big tabletops or one-of-a-kind pieces. Beyond milling, they do hardwood floor manufacturing, custom moldings, custom furniture components, kiln drying, and planing and prepping lumber you already have. Species they've worked in include spalted beech, ash, and hickory. Their own words: "whether your trees came down in a storm, were removed during construction, or have been waiting for the right project, we'll help you make the most of them." They serve Southwestern Michigan and Northwestern Indiana, with Berrien County where they're based. This fits a landowner who already has logs down, from a storm or a clearing job, and wants them turned into flooring, trim, or furniture rather than sold as standing timber. From krumriesms.com, read 8 October 2026.

Two Fellers Live Edge Lumber is a sawmill and custom furniture shop in Coldwater, Michigan. They're not in the business of buying standing timber off your land for forest management. Instead, they work with urban yard trees, the kind coming down because they're dead, damaged, diseased, or in the way of development, and turn them into rough-cut live edge slabs and custom furniture. They're a partnership between two brothers, Justin and Jerry Avery, one of whom owns a tree service and the other a residential construction company. That combination is their whole approach: "it allows us to reclaim every urban tree that may have otherwise ended up in a landfill." They cut, kiln dry, and finish everything in-house, and they'll also take on custom sawing and drying if you've got a log from your own property you want turned into lumber rather than firewood. Species they work with include oak, cherry, maple, walnut, English walnut, butternut, cedar, cottonwood, ginkgo, mulberry, osage orange, pine, poplar, redwood, and a few less common ones like flame boxelder and red flame sycamore. They serve Branch County, Michigan, and describe their broader reach as Southern Michigan. They've been doing this since 2017. This fits a landowner who has one yard tree or a small pile of logs to deal with, not a standing stand of timber to sell, and who wants it turned into slabs or furniture rather than cashed out as a timber sale. From twofellersliveedgelumber.com, read 8 October 2026.

Tervol's Wood Products LLC is a sawmill in North Adams, Michigan. They saw logs, kiln dry lumber, and do millwork, working in hardwoods. They keep an inventory of around 100,000 board feet of kiln dried hardwoods on hand, and they green-cut to order too, anything from dunnage to timber framing to trailer decks. If you've got a log you want sawn your way, they say their process "varies to provide each customer and product the attention it deserves," handling jobs from "small 4/4 lumber to a 60" wide live edge slab." They're family owned and have run since 1994. They're listed as serving Hillsdale County, and the business itself sits in Branch County. There's no minimum tract size stated, and this isn't a place that buys standing timber or logs off your land. It's a mill you'd bring logs to, or order lumber from. This fits a landowner who already has logs cut, or trees down, and wants them sawn, dried, and turned into usable lumber rather than someone to walk their woods and make an offer on standing timber. From tervolswoodproducts.com, read 8 October 2026.

G & D Wood Products is a mill in Camden, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Fether Hardwoods is a mill in Pittsford, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Mc Cormick Sawmills LLC is a mill in Fountain, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Timber Hollow Sawmill is a mill. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Banks Hardwoods, Inc. runs a hardwood sawmill and supply operation out of White Pigeon, Michigan, with a second facility in Menomonie, Wisconsin. It's family-owned and has been going since 1985. The work here is lumber, not standing timber. They cut and process logs into finished boards, and their services include cabinet-finish planing, gang ripping, custom color sorting, moulded profiles, kiln drying, and grading. They say they "supply a full range of the finest quality Northern domestic hardwoods," and they handle red oak, white oak, hard maple, soft maple, walnut, cherry, hickory, poplar, birch, Eastern white pine, and aspen, including rustic grades and rift and quarter-sawn cuts. They carry more than 10 million board feet of lumber inventory and 2.2 million board feet of kiln capacity, so they're set up for steady, high-volume supply as well as smaller mixed loads. They're based in White Pigeon and describe themselves as a Great Lakes region hardwood supplier, serving customers well beyond Michigan and Wisconsin. This is a sawmill and lumber supplier, not a timber buyer walking your woods or a logging crew cutting your trees. It fits a landowner who already has logs or sawn lumber to move, or who wants to understand where hardwood ends up after it leaves the woods, rather than someone looking for help selling or harvesting standing timber. From bankshardwoods.com, read 8 October 2026.

Dad's Sawmill And Woodshop is a mill. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

AccuraCut, a Division of Jeff Miller, inc. is based in White Pigeon, Michigan. This is not a timber buyer or logging business. Jeff Miller works with sawmill owners and operators, from laying out a new mill to the final installation, and has "40+ years of experience" serving mills across North America. Work also reaches St. Joseph County. The jobs taken on include layout development, equipment rebuilding, on-site installation and supervision, flow and piece count analysis, machine start-up on hydraulic and electrical systems, maintenance scheduling to cut downtime, operator training, and optical alignment for tracks, edgers, carriages, bandmills, and line bars. The shop also builds lumber decks and roll cases and brings in board edgers for general rebuilds and upgrades. On how projects get built, Jeff Miller says, "we work with local suppliers and current employees with expertise and knowledge to get the work done," rather than bringing in an outside crew. AccuraCut also makes and sells its own equipment, including the AccuraCut Saw Monitor, a blade deviation detection system, and red and green line lasers for mill use. This fits a sawmill owner or operator who needs help laying out, building, rebuilding, or running mill equipment and machinery, not a landowner with standing timber to sell. From accuracut.com, read 8 October 2026.

Manthei Veneer is a timber buyer in Petoskey, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. It is also listed as a logging contractor and a mill. A timber buyer purchases standing timber and arranges the harvest. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Maples Sawmill Inc is a mill in Hessel, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Thick-N-Thin Lumber is a mill in Cedarville, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Baumgarten Forest Products is a mill in Tower, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Drw Sawmill Inc is a mill in Onaway, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Jaroche Brothers Inc is a mill in Wolverine, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Besteman Saw Mill runs out of Rudyard, Michigan, part of the family operation known as Besteman Products. They're a three-generation family business, the same one behind Besteman maple syrup, and the sawmill sits alongside their syrup and woodworking sides. What they do with wood is custom sawing. They turn logs into "custom sawn timbers used to create tongue and groove paneling, live edge planks for various applications, and an assortment of true sized lumber (eg. actual 2″ x 4″ dimensions) for your construction needs." Their woodworking side also builds furniture, pub style picnic tables, Adirondack chairs, porch swings, dressers and stump tables, out of local white cedar. White cedar is the species they name for their wood products. There's no stated minimum acreage or service area given. They're based in Chippewa County and that's the county they're tied to in these facts. This fits a landowner near Rudyard who wants cedar sawn into usable lumber or finished into furniture, rather than someone looking for help selling standing timber or managing a woodlot. From bestemanproducts.com, read 8 October 2026.

S.A.W. Saw Co. is a mill in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Robbins Sawmill, LLC is a mill in Chippewa County, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Biewer Sawmill is a mill in McBain, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. It is also listed as a consulting forester. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Holmes Sawmill is a sawmill in Tustin, Michigan. They run White Cedar through their own mill into tongue and groove, shiplap, nickel gap, log and lap siding, trim, slabs, and flooring, and they take on "custom options" if you don't see what you're after on their list. They serve Osceola County. This isn't a buyer of standing timber or logs. It's a milling operation that turns wood into finished boards and siding, working with White Cedar as their specialty, and they say "White Cedar tongue and groove" is one of their main lines. Alan Holmes bought the sawmill in 1984 from a friend named Leonard Bittner, and it's been in the family since, now run by Alan and his son Andrew. They've since built up relationships with several local and national sawmills to keep up with the work coming in. This fits a landowner who already has cedar logs or lumber and wants it custom milled into siding, flooring, or trim, rather than someone looking to sell standing timber. From holmessawmill.com, read 8 October 2026.

Northern Timber Sawmill Service is a portable sawmill operation based in Le Roy, Michigan. They bring the mill to you and cut your logs into lumber right on your property. The work covers milling for best grade, dimensional lumber, quarter sawing, slabs, heavy timbers, and cabin logs cut two or three sided. They match certain blades to the species being cut. Parker, who runs the mill, is a certified lumber grader through the National Hardwood Lumber Association, and he runs a Woodmizer mill that handles logs up to 30 inches across. They are based out of LeRoy but say they "travel all over the state" of Michigan, and they serve Osceola County. All you need to have ready is a flat space to pull the mill into and a way to get your logs to it, either by tractor or by rolling them over. This suits a landowner who already has logs on the ground, or standing timber they plan to fell themselves, and wants it turned into usable boards, slabs, or cabin logs on site rather than sold off as standing timber. From northerntimbersawmill.com, read 8 October 2026.

MOB Sawmill and Kiln Drying is a mill in Lapeer, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Silver Spur Sawmill is a mill in Chelsea, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Billsby Lumber is a mill in Harrison, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Bennett Saw Mill is a mill in Evart, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Dyer's Sawmill is a mill in Le Roy, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Crosscut Lumber is a mill in Portland, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Monarch Millwork, Inc. is a sawmill and millwork business in Grayling, Michigan, in Crawford County. It is a "third generation family owned and operated business," founded in 1978. What they do is turn hardwood logs into finished lumber and parts. They offer kiln dried 4/4 and 5/4 Aspen and Basswood, "sustainably sourced from sawmills across Northern Michigan." From there, their optimizing rip and chop line turns planed lumber into cut stock and components, processed to custom specifications. They also take on contract kiln drying. The species they work with are Aspen, Basswood, and Maple. Over the years they have served clients in the door, window, moulding, and furniture manufacturing industries. Their location in Grayling puts them close to Northern Michigan hardwood supply, and the business serves Crawford County. This fits someone who needs finished hardwood lumber, cut stock, or kiln drying work done, such as a manufacturer or woodworker, rather than a landowner looking for a company to buy standing timber or log a woodlot. From monarchmillwork.com, read 8 October 2026.

Minerick Trucking, known on its own pages as Minerick Logging, Inc., is based in Sagola, Michigan, and works in Dickinson County. It buys land and standing timber, and runs a vertically integrated operation that includes its own logging crews and mill. As the business puts it, "We are buyers of land & standing timber with a vertically integrated operation that includes logging & mill ownership." The work covers oak, maple, and other hardwoods. Services include forest inventory and appraisals, forest management planning, timber sale preparation, wildlife management, GPS/GIS mapping, and land clearing. If you're thinking about selling standing timber or land, the business offers free appraisals to start, and its foresters are certified and licensed. It holds SFI certification, Master Logger and Michigan Master Logger certification, and FSC Chain of Custody certification, with FSC certified products available on request. It serves landowners here in Upper Michigan and has been family owned and operating for over 40 years in that area. This fits a landowner in Dickinson County with hardwood timber, especially oak or maple, who wants one outfit to appraise, manage, log, and mill the wood rather than coordinating separate buyers and crews. From minericklogging.com, read 8 October 2026.

Sagola Hardwood Ltd is a mill in Sagola Township, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Atwood Forest Products is a mill in Cedar Springs, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. It is also listed as a timber buyer. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Michigan Rustic Woodlands is a sawmill, lumber yard, and woodshop in Davisburg, Michigan. They started the business in 2021 and describe themselves as a family-owned and operated outfit, with their own team milling everything in-house. If you've got logs sitting on your property, this is who you'd call to turn them into something usable. They say "we can mill your logs into whatever Lumber or Live Edge wood products you desire," and they also offer kiln drying so the wood is ready to work with, not just cut. Pickup and delivery of logs or lumber is available for an added fee, based on volume and location, and they bring a log trailer with a crane to move heavier logs onto the mill. Before milling, they "powerwash each log before it goes on our mill" to keep dirt and grit from dulling the blade. Species they handle include walnut, soft and hard maple, curly maple, white oak, red oak, hickory, cedar, elm, cherry, and poplar. They're licensed and insured, and they serve Oakland County and the surrounding area. Alongside milling, they also do woodworking and some land clearing or site work. This fits a landowner who already has logs down, or trees coming down, and wants them milled into lumber or slabs rather than sold standing. It's less suited to someone looking to sell timber off the stump, more for someone who wants their own wood turned into boards, mantels, or furniture. From michiganrusticwoodlands.com, read 8 October 2026.

Michigan Sawmill Sales is a sawmill and firewood equipment dealer at 8392 Argentine Road in Linden, Michigan. It sells portable and hydraulic sawmills, mostly Wood-Mizer models, and Blacks Creek firewood processors. It also offers service and financing for both. The LT15 portable mill cuts 28 inch diameter logs into boards up to 26 inches wide. The larger hydraulic mills, such as the LT70WIDE, take logs up to 36 inches across. The firewood processors run from the Model 1250, built for a homeowner or entry level firewood producer, up to the Model 2500 for bigger logs. As a Wood-Mizer ASC, the shop services mills, with a field service plan and an hourly rate for repairs. Michigan Sawmill Sales does not buy standing timber or log tracts from landowners. It sells the machines you would run yourself. If you have a woodlot and want to mill your own lumber or process your own firewood, it is a good fit for a landowner who wants to own the equipment. If you want someone else to buy the timber off your land, look elsewhere. From misawmillsales.com, read 8 October 2026.

Regentin Sawmill live edge slabs and lumber LLCmber is a mill in Lapeer, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Robert E Nelson & Son, known on their website as Nelson's Wood Products, is a sawmill in Lapeer, Michigan. They serve Lapeer county. This isn't a timber buyer or a logging outfit. It's a mill that takes lumber and turns it into finished wood for your home: flooring, crown molding, baseboards, stair treads and risers, custom beams, bar tops, and mantles. They saw, dry, plane, and run CNC machining, and they keep over 30 species of kiln-dried lumber on site. Their own words: "Our family-owned sawmill has been at the heart of the community for over 100 years." There's nothing here about buying standing timber or harvesting trees off your land, so if you've got acres to sell or log, this isn't the business for that part of the job. But if you've already got logs, or you want lumber milled, dried, and worked into flooring or beams or molding for a house or barn, this is a place that does that kind of work close to home, and has for a long time. This suits a landowner who already has wood to work with, or who wants custom lumber and finish work done locally, not someone looking to sell standing timber off their acreage. From nelsonswoodproducts.com, read 8 October 2026.

Pollums Natural Resources is a mill in Lapeer, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. It is also listed as a timber buyer. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Brian Irish - Sawmill, Firewood, and Stump Grinding is a mill. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.

Custom Forest Products Building is a mill in Montrose, Michigan. It has a Google Maps business listing in that category. A listing here is not an endorsement.